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Ridden a few times since, even on trail, not heard a peep out of it. You think it would rattle, but it doesn't.

@@ribblevalleycyclist that's all that was stopping me from getting one. Guess I'm buying one right now

Let us know how you get on with it. It has an amount of rigidity to it, so I suspect it’s keeping itself pressed up against the inner of the bars, and not rattling about……. If you get what I mean😬

Giant has to, because all of their carbon wheels are hookless. The trouble with making a hookless compatible tyre, is that you're saying it's hookless compatible, and that statement has a risk.

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I suspect we have differing opinions of what Old-fashioned’ means. I’ll assume you’re not from the same county as me, and it means something is outdated where you’re from.

@@ribblevalleycyclist Live in Bristol UK. Old-fashioned seems to imply an insult, not tried and tested and still works fine. There is an old adage, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I don't understand why so many seem to suffer from do many punctures. The last deflation I had, well over a year ago, was a valve failure and cannot recall how long ago a normal puncture. Maybe Continental tyres have a secret!

Same thing would have happened with hooked clinchers(tubed or not). Same thing could happen with a flat tubular since they'd maybe give a false sense of confidence and he'd take the turn faster

@@veganpotterthevegan no! I have seen guys riding for some km on flat tubulars with much higher speed and nothing happened, I rode flat tubulars myself and they were good controllable. You can test it by yourself: take a hookless rim like this Enwe and a GP5000TT TR (or any other similar tire) - the moment you loose pressure you can take the tire off the rim with one finger without any effort. They are dangerous!

@filmevoncosima I've seen all kinds of things too. That doesn't really mean anything, they're just anecdotes. The two worst crashes of my career came from people rolling tubulars off their rims in front of me, neither were flats. That's still just an anecdote though. *I have ENVE hookless rims, and Zipp hookless rims. It's tire to tire and wheel to wheel. Sometimes matching tires front and back don't even come off the same way. *When a tire comes off too easily, I add a layer of tape. I've always done this with hookless and hooked rims...for road, mountain and gravel bikes.

Thanks, Michael. Let us know how you get on with them. 👍

Agreed, it is an issue. Hookless has a limit of 5bar/73psi.

Internally routed then...... they're a nightmare. You should try building them 🙁

@@ribblevalleycyclist I built mine. Its horrible.

I think the average cyclist can use hookless, if set up correctly. I'm not sure it'd withstand the sideways load a pro rider with 'Special' tyres will put on it, but for the average Joe with the right tyres, it's fine. However, given the choice, I'd opt for a hook, because it makes more sense to have it, than not.

@@ribblevalleycyclist Not sure. If pro techs fail (they used tires that you can also buy from your shop), average riders will likely fail, too. Rim width/tire width ratio is the key for hookless setups (that's why MTB tires are OK). Agree on the hook, there is no disadvantage other then the a few grams and questionable aero resistance.

Fair point that I'm not going to disagree with!

To be honest, some people don't realise they're doing it. Some peoples buying cycle looks like this.......'Are they carbon? Are they light? Is the freehub obnoxiously loud?' If it's a 'Yes' to all of those point, then they buy them.

It won't be long before every tubeless tire over 28mm is hookless compatible.

To be honest, some people don't realise they're doing it. Some peoples buying cycle looks like this.......'Are they carbon? Are they light? Is the freehub obnoxiously loud?' If it's a 'Yes' to all of those point, then they buy them.

I'd rather pay for hookless wheels than get free hooked wheels. Love my daily drivers. Cheapo aliexpress 25mm internal rims(30mm deep) that I paid $250 all in for, I laced them to DT350 hubs and they're just over 1200g. 2-3 times a week(when it's not snowing), I'm descending HC climbs on them and the width with low pressure can't be beat, especially since those roads get so beat up in the winter.

@@veganpotterthevegan 😂😂😂 cheap aliexpress wheels and hookless? You got a death wish. I wouldn’t even buy hooked wheels from them

@BikeLife154 they have over 20k miles on them and I'm 90kg. No worries here at all. *Plenty of people buy wheels elsewhere that are made with rims from the same factory🙃 I'm probably going to buy some of their 34mm wide rims for my hardtail soon.

@@veganpotterthevegan anyway enjoy your riding. Stay safe!

Said perfectly.

Exactly this ☝️. I too have both, and have enjoyed safe cycling, because I have both understood and followed the rules. The trouble is, many don't know those rules...... And why should they need to, they're just riding bikes. The industry should keep them safe!

Their website contradicts itself. It says the GP5000S TR is the only hookless tyre, but it also says the GP5000 AS TR is hookless.

They're just riding bikes. The industry should keep them safe!

Fantastic, glad it all worked for you. Enjoy that Brompton 👍

I think you may be right

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You ride them if they throw enough money after you. Can't think of any other reason. I'm not yet old enough to die so I stay with my hooked rims.

To be honest, some people don't realise they're doing it.

@@ribblevalleycyclist True. but, one of the reasons I bought my Cannondale super 6 recently was that it came with hooked rims. I've tried tubeless on my road bike twice & both have been a major disaster. More than happy with my standard rims/tyres & latex tubes.

All depends on your use case. MTB wheels have been hookless for a long time. Wide tires at low pressure (45-55 psi) and larger than the rim internal width, will be fine. I run 25mm internals, hookless with the STR's and Maxxis Refuse TR - all without issue. But pressures are low (below 55 psi) and larger size 30 & 32mm, which measure 32 and 35mm respectively on the rims. Problem is, as I have observed in my 45 years of riding with groups, people (riders) in general are pretty non-mechanical and fairly lackadaisical in their understanding of the tech on their bike. Most riders can barely fix a flat tire, and rely on their shop for everything. And many shops just do not (in past years) understand the hookless use cases. Other riders, buy the latest wheels they see on UA-cam and just assume they'll work. All adds up to people who just do not know what they are doing, and a case of bike tech which is beyond the knowledge level of the customer.

For anything woder than 36mm they are great. For road, suicidal

True that, but since most refer to tubed tyres as clinchers he's not misleading anyone there.

​@@channul4887 I never said he was misleading anyone, the video as a whole is still sound, just using the wrong terminology.

@@thrawed mans on dat terminology ting, ugeddme.

Fair point, well made 👍

Unfortunately, yes. People don't know they're running hookless. They look at whats popular in the tyre world, and buy the size that matches their wheel!

Yeah no shit, because alloy wheels cost the same to make regardless of whether they are hookless. Hookless exists purely as a cost saving measure in carbon manufacturing.

Agreed. This is because you can't make an alloy rim hookless, because it'd need to be about a centimetre thick! Additionally, you'll see the range of wheels being offered by HUNT contains less hookless rims nowadays. Can't imagine why that may be!!!!

So?

You'll see the range of wheels being offered by HUNT contains less hookless rims nowadays. Can't imagine why that may be!!!!

Hi Aveedub, Interesting tale indeed. Unfortunately, as I''m sure you know, Giant only offers hookless in their ranges. It's nice to see you did your research, and put the correct type of tyre on your bike. I think the trouble is, we're all used to running at roughly 90-110psi, so when we're told we mustn't exceed 73psi, we dice with death, and pump to the limit. Agreed, having an accurate gauge is a good idea, but even still, I don't think we should be running at 73psi. All it'd take is a bit of snot on the rim or a bit of oil in the bead when seating those tyres, and you've got a setup that won't hold back that maximum recommendation. I personally run 28's at 60psi........ but I'm an old slow git nowadays 🤣🤣🤣

The only GP5000 that Conti ever classified as hookless compatible are the STR's. Whoever you got the non STR's from as hookless compatible were either ignorant or made a potentially lethal mistake.

I think the main point to take onboard here is that hookless rims are potentially dangerous when combined with an incompatible tyre. The trouble is, many don't know those rules...... And why should they need to? They're just riding bikes. The industry should keep them safe!

​@@ribblevalleycyclist this too much faff to consider and account for, just like with tubeless tires. With clincher tubed tires you only care about the tire and tube size as per ERTRO and that's it

@qwertyazerty2137 Agreed, clincher/tubes are a lot less ‘Faff’. But the counter argument to that is that I used to get, on average 6/8 punctures a year. 2022, 1. 2023, 0. 2024, 0……. so far……. But I’ve probably just gone and jinxed that now 😂😂😂

@@ribblevalleycyclist as with every opinion, it depends on your personal experience. I for example for years have been riding on my road bike or winter biker either with conti gp4000 23/25c or conti gatorskin 32c both tubed versions. Not a single puncture on the road or on the gravel. Just one pinch flat on a deep hole in the pavement and one puncture in the garage caused by a shifter cable thread lying on the floor. Mind you that I tortured these conti gatorskins in every weather conditions and surfaces - road, gravel, mud. These tires in particular are panzer and this what I care about. I don't care if the tire is fast or not. I also used cheap tires like cst pika 32c and got maybr like one puncture a year...

Thanks, Martin 👍

If it works, stick with it. In fairness, they all used to look like that years ago, and were very good. They were copied and copied, and became really cheap and nasty things that fall apart. But if you have an old one, then all good 👍

Thanks 👍